Exegesis Volume 3 Issue #5

From: John Reder
Subject: Re: Exegesis Digest V3 #4

From: "William D. Tallman"
Subject: Re: Exegesis Digest V3 #4

Exegesis Digest Sat, 24 Jan 1998

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:17:59 -0500 (EST)
From: John Reder
To: Exegesis
Subject: Re: Exegesis Digest V3 #4

 > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:21:43 -0500 (EST)
 > From: agoethe
 > To: exegesis
 > Subject: subject matters
 > I'm not sure what the content of this list is about. Forgive my Indolence
 > (see below) in pursuing the faq somewhere, but if someone could post what
 > this list is about, I'll be in a much better position to post something.
 > I will mention that I watched the movie Seven the other night directed by
 > David Fincher. It is a recent 40's noir type film and was surprisingly
 > pretty good.
 > It is based on the Seven Deadly Sins. I was intrigued by this as I remember
 > that these Seven Sins are based on the original 7 planets used in astrology.

One of the things that always surprised me, when I got into the study of astrology, was not in how much astrological interpretation was based on ancient studies over millennia, but in how much modern astrology was trying to distance itself from it. Modern astrology text center on psychological and scientific evaluation of the chart, while the concepts that proved eminently useful over thousands of years get tossed aside. Concepts like void-of-course-moons, the via-combusta, etc. are treated almost like some superstition to be ashamed of and forgotten. A perfect case in point would be the famous Lizzie Borden murder case. I have seen not only articles, but entire books written on the subject, with astrological analysis of the charts with all the most modern techniques. The crux of all the analysis being that if you could prove astrologically/psychologically that she was a bed wetter the whole thing would come clear. Yet if you look at the chart for the time of the murders, (Aug 4, 1892, 12 noon (TZ 5+) 41N42 / 71W09), and apply the ancient and ignored techniques, you immediately get struck by something that puts these modern analysis in question. Scorpio rules the 1st house (the murderer), and Mars is retrograde on the cusp of the 4th. The 4th house rules the Borden house itself and the cusp is int's front door. By ancient techniques, a planet on the 4th cusp represents someone at the door and if that planet is retrograde, someone holding back from entering. So at the time of the murder, you have an unknown party outside the front door, reluctant about entering. So, never in the case has anyone dealt with an unknown party lurking outside the door, while the murders were being done. You can take the same traditional techniques and apply them to something like the Versace murder and see how Cunanan would end up on a houseboat, in the end. But that is another story and I don't want to bore anyone. Suffice it to say, the study of modern astrology, is, in my opinion, going down the wrong road when it discards the teaching of the old, in favor of the new age.

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John Reder (jreder


Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:53:21 +0000
From: "William D. Tallman"
To: exegesis
Subject: Re: Exegesis Digest V3 #4

 > From: John Reder
 > Subject: Re: Exegesis Digest V3 #3

 > From the point of the format and article length, the one
 > does not
 > cause the other. I was only meaning to say that from the point of
 > an uneasy to read format, it does tire the reader out to scroll
 > looking for all the articles and an extended dialogs, does often
 > cause reading fatigue problems. It would be easier if the mailings
 > could be just forwarded as received, individually.

Yes. This is an excellent point and I concur. I does occur to me, though, that perhaps our moderator does not have that option available to him. He did say that the list host is Dermod Moore, who is the moderator of the Psychological Astrology list and who owns Metalog, or so I understand. It might be of value to inquire about this.

 > On the point of length, because of the topic, I don't
 > subscribe to
 > the idea that the longer you make your point the better. The best
 > books on any subject are often the shortest. A lengthy prose is
 > often the sign of a position not clear in the author's mind. Anyone
 > who has read Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time", knows how
 > much a writer with a well thought out point can squeeze into a short
 > narrative. If he can get the whole point of quantum mechanics
 > across in a manner understandable to the layman in that short a
 > book, it proves the point.

Your point is well taken. I must observe, however, that these jewels of writing to which you refer are of a quality directly proportional to that of the author. Is it appropriate or relevant to expect that standard of this list? I think not.

 > From my reading over the years the best and clearest
 > astrology books
 > have been some of the shortest and the longest ones full of the most
 > holes. Sometimes we write and talk more to impress others with our
 > knowledge than actually to pass any knowledge on.

I would caution that we should not expect clearly thought out and fully developed ideas here. That sort of thing depends on the existence of a solid foundation, upon which an elegant structure might be erected. Not only do we *not* have a solid foundation here, we have uncharted quick-sand, I think. I suggest we are best served by expecting a messy and highly inefficient process, lest we exclude the opportunity for that process to generate the ingredients for the foundation we seek.

I think that we should put our efforts into making what contributions we can, so that the process can get started.

An open inquiry to the moderator: I have posted several times to the psyche list on this subject, and I would like them to serve as opening contributions on my part on this list. Should I repost them here, or simply cite them and suggest interested members investigate the archives?



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