Exegesis Volume 07 Issue #082 In This Issue: From: Patrice Guinard Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #81
Exegesis Digest Thu, 17 Oct 2002

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:36:50 +0200
From: Patrice Guinard
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #81

Dale, I'm not a specialist in physics nor in biology (although I've begun my university cursus with biological studies). I'm only saying that astrology is indefensible without a "reasonable" physical hypothesis. The other way, "symbolism for symbolism", the current use made more & more by astrologers, seems to me impossible (except as cultural trend & superstitious practice).

Look at the new planetoid just discovered in the Kuiper belt. The object, named Quaoar, after a god of the Tongva American tribe (South California), could have 1,300 kilometers in diameter and a sidereal revolution of 288 years. (See for instance CNN News, http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/07/ice.object/index.html or BBC News, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2306945.stm)
Are we going to give to it the meaning of this Tongva god, (if the object could have any effect) because of the name, chosen "par hasard" by their discoverers? It's absurd, but it's what astrologers are usually doing.

Nor I'm a worshipper of modern Ratio. The "world" & the Real are more far away of what modern reason wants to do with them. But astrology is for me an hypothesis without "mystery". I see it, like the ancients I guess, as an intellectual, logical, representation of a rather banal state of fact.

My hypothesis is free folded:
1. The astronomical signal is integrated in the neuro-physiological organization.
2. The astral impression (impressional) is an inaperceptible psychic effect of that signal. It is "almost-lived".
3. The astrological symbol is a cultural and psycho-mental translation of that impressional. (see http://cura.free.fr/19fabwo.html)

Point 1 means a cellular, nervous, integration, synchronization (not synchronicity) of planetary rhythms. So it's a temporal adaptation (see my text on Pavlov in CURA : more interesting theories for astrologers is his Opera than the Freudian fancies & its clowning use by astrologers). A temporal adaptation means that if every month (approximately), the Moon comes back to the same position in the sky, the nervous system has been made able, with time, to register the cycle & its variations. With that, an astrology is possible, & there is nothing extraordinary in it.

It is the (future?) work of physics & biology to determine how it could works exactly, not mine. (& I'm not sure that "a science" could explain one day the change from 1 to 2)

But the work of "translation" (Point 3) is the real astrological work. What I've called "matrix-based reason" is helping for this. Ancient books & traditions may help, if the cultural contexts are understood, but also can trick.

Concerning the website you mention, I'm going to have a look. A physics compatible with astrology must be discovered. Although I'm rather sceptical about the application of "new physics" (that one that is "known" today) to astrology, the subject must be deepened (Dennis is preparing a paper on the subject).

Patrice

 > >From: Dale Huckeby
 > >Subject: [e] Physics, Biology & Astrology
 > >
 > >Patrice has argued recently, and several times in the past, if I've
 > >understood him correctly, that astrology should be compatible with physics
 > >and biology. I couldn't agree more. My own conception of the organic
 > >integration of planetary rhythms (a notion that pops up in several places
 > >in Patrice's *Manifesto*) can be found in Exegesis [1:11] and later, in
 > >more detail, in [4:53] (an article-ized version of the latter can be found
 > >at < http://www.aplaceinspace.net/ > ). Patrice, is the material in those
 > >pieces compatible with what you mean by "organic integration of planetary
 > >rhythms"?
 > >
 > >Dale Huckeby
 > >

End of exegesis Digest V7 #82

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