Exegesis V07 Issue 038

Exegesis Volume 07 Issue #038

In This Issue:

From: "Roger L. Satterlee"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #35

From: "Roger L. Satterlee"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #36

From: "JG or DF"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #37

Exegesis Digest Thu, 07 Mar 2002

From: "Roger L. Satterlee"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #35
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 05:10:28 -0500

> >exegesis Digest Fri, 01 Mar 2002 Volume: 07 Issue: 035
> >
> >In This Issue:
> >#1: From: "JG or DF"
> >Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #34
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >From: "JG or DF"
> >Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #34
> >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:05:37 +1300 [...] Rog:
> >
> >>would seem very likely that a critical shortage of accurate and dependable
> >>astronomical data might logically lead astrologers of antiquity to invent
> >and
> >>rely upon a system like the progressed natal chart if only to enable their
> >>*predictions*, which they must make to fulfill the expectations of their
> >>clientele.

Dennis:
> >
> >Doesn't really explain it. Transits are sufficient for prediction of
> >adverse or suitable times and periods, and the planetary positions are
> >readily observable most of the time. It's not as though they were afflicted
> >by typical English weather. Climate in the classical period was generally
> >good in the astrology-originating countries as it is these days.
> > [...]
> >
> >

I was thinking that people are people, yesterday as today, and the act of observing the heavens to make one's own measurements on a regular basis would not be any more prevalent in the past simply because the skies were clear at night in any given location. The use of a list of planetary positions which has already been cataloged, perhaps debated and revised for 20-30 years, would be more available and likely inspire more confidence in the accuracy of the observations. To predict the exact positions of transiting planets and project the timing of their aspects *in the future* would seem to require more astronomical prowess than was actually available, or at least require "the astrologer" to gamble on the timing of future aspects and thereby add more risk of error concerning thier predictions. Laboring to make regular astronomical observations and adding to the risk of error by making astronomical projections (based on whatever model of these motions) does not seem a likely behavior to be expected from a majority of persons claiming to be astrologers...no matter what their social status may have been.

From: "Roger L. Satterlee"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #36
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:32:32 -0500

> >exegesis Digest Wed, 06 Mar 2002 Volume: 07 Issue: 036
> >
> >In This Issue:
> >#1: From: "JG or DF"
> >Subject: [e] astrology & the soul
> >[...] Dennis (, quoting Thomas Moore):
> >"An astrological attitude directs attention away from the self, with its
> >subjective, conscious, and willful decisions, toward an outer world that has
> >its own mysterious ways of offering guidance and reflection. It gives us a
> >concrete and explicit way to be in tune with nature, not just knowledgeable
> >about it. Whether or not we practice astrology technically, it can show us
> >a way to find deep guidance that transcends mere psychology. I would rather
> >turn to astrology to expand psychology than reduce astrology to the
> >psychological." (p320)
> >
> >Hear, hear!
> >
> >"Keeping astrology somewhere between occult practice and modern psychology
> >is a difficult, subtle task, demanding that our applied poetics remain both
> >imagistic and connected to life. It's in this spirit that I read the lines
> >of the Christian theologian Origen: "Know that you are another world in
> >miniature and have in you Sol and Luna and even the stars" (Homiliae in
> >Leviticum, 5..2). When I first read those words, twenty years ago, I began
> >to reflect on the moon as mirrored in the interior life." (p320)
> > [...]

I see that the soul, which remains undefined, apparently has to share time and space with the personality, so to speak. My illustration below is meant to address to layers of interpretation. First there's the psychological matter of the subject, Abraham, and the split purposes of his "celestially informed" soul and his "religiously informed" personality. Then there is the matter of the painter himself being apparently celestially informed concerning his (no doubt) unconscious choices of planet-related symbols, as projected upon the space of his painting. The Sun's shared aspects of Sag Moon and Scorpio Mars are wonderfully depicted on the left, and perhaps even Pluto in Taurus on the lower right. Neptune in Virgo appears as the intervening angelical inspiration, and Mercury Opposite Saturn (-in Capricorn!) definitely seems like a call to, "wait...hold up there...oops! The eighth house matter of murder has been canceled, Thank you... < click > ." Abraham's portrait head appears to be related to Rembrandt's natal Sun and the center of the ego, but could just as easily be interpreted as natal Mercury I suppose. Anyway, take a look at the collection of Rembrant's paintings at the web address below and I think you will see that there is a formula/pattern to his works...they seem variations on the natal chart...well, to me at least...:)

From: "JG or DF"
Subject: [e] Re: exegesis Digest V7 #37
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:23:30 +1300

> >Circadian cycles have been noted in animals, and I suppose some form of
> >this basic material coordination can be expected in humans as well.

Are you unaware that these were first discovered in human beings several decades ago, and have been extensively researched since?

Wrong. Alexandria "produced the great second and third-century Gnostic masters Carpocrates, Basilides, Valentinus, Clement and Origen". ["The Jesus Mysteries", T Freke & P Gandy, 1999, p249.]

> >I do not see that the extensive quotes of this author further any
> >discussion, nor apparently do you.

Discussion normally proceeds on the basis of intelligent feedback that addresses the issues. I may still get some.